The same numbers, live. One row per teacher, each at the plain reading of their own rules.
The 9:30 gap video. The video's own model test showed a 36% win rate over 303 trades. Here, trading all day and letting winners run past 1:4, 23.3% won. As stated: 1,675 trades, 23.3% won, $1.07 a trade — makes a little money, but not clearly enough to tell. Across all 6 versions below, 1 clearly losing, and 6 of 6 beat the same trades taken on a coin-flip side. 30.3% of its trades got at least 1:2 its way before the original stop, 13.4% got 1:4. The video does not say how far back the pre-9:30 level is, or how the stop trails past 1:4; each is varied below. Past 1:4 the stop follows each closed 5-minute candle.
| version | trades | win | a trade | 95% range | coin-flip side | got to 1:2 | 1:3 | 1:4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5-min, level from the hour before 9:30, run past 1:4, all day | 1,675 | 23.3% | $1.07 | −$4.59 to $6.89 | −$5.28 | 30.3% | 20.5% | 13.4% |
| same, but out at exactly 1:4 | 1,693 | 23.3% | −$0.41 | −$5.54 to $5.15 | −$4.18 | 30.1% | 20.2% | 13.2% |
| same, but only until 11:30 | 673 | 18.7% | −$0.03 | −$10.19 to $10.35 | −$7.82 | 34.5% | 23.5% | 15.3% |
| level from the 30 min before 9:30 | 1,702 | 23.5% | −$0.12 | −$5.70 to $6.07 | −$3.22 | 29.1% | 19.7% | 12.6% |
| level from the 2 hours before 9:30 | 1,627 | 23.3% | $0.47 | −$5.26 to $6.39 | −$6.61 | 31.1% | 20.8% | 13.5% |
| 1-min chart | 4,859 | 17.0% | −$3.38 | −$5.66 to −$1.10 | −$7.43 | 28.5% | 21.7% | 16.1% |
Pat. Pat quotes a 76.2% win rate from live streams. Here, 54.5% of trades won or paid a partial. As stated: 895 trades, 54.5% won, $7.80 a trade — makes a little money, but not clearly enough to tell. Across all 8 versions below, none is clear of the noise either way, and 6 of 8 beat the same trades taken on a coin-flip side. 20.7% of its trades got at least 1:2 its way before the original stop, 3.7% got 1:4. Pat's target is “a recent level”, so 1:1 and 1:2 are both run; the EMA is an optional confirmation.
| version | trades | win | a trade | 95% range | coin-flip side | got to 1:2 | 1:3 | 1:4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| limit at the range edge, 1:2 target | 895 | 54.5% | $7.80 | −$5.46 to $20.88 | −$2.94 | 20.7% | 8.0% | 3.7% |
| limit at the range edge, 1:2 target, 9/21 EMA agreeing | 693 | 54.4% | $10.08 | −$5.22 to $25.40 | −$2.08 | 19.9% | 7.6% | 3.2% |
| limit at the range edge, 1:1 target | 895 | 67.9% | $4.62 | −$5.74 to $14.82 | −$1.34 | 20.7% | 8.0% | 3.7% |
| limit at the range edge, 1:1 target, 9/21 EMA agreeing | 693 | 68.0% | $5.52 | −$6.13 to $17.47 | −$2.90 | 19.9% | 7.6% | 3.2% |
| limit at the midline, 1:2 target | 531 | 53.9% | $2.78 | −$6.97 to $12.64 | −$1.60 | 34.3% | 23.5% | 16.0% |
| limit at the midline, 1:2 target, 9/21 EMA agreeing | 393 | 52.9% | $0.33 | −$10.70 to $11.45 | $0.38 | 33.3% | 20.9% | 14.8% |
| limit at the midline, 1:1 target | 531 | 70.6% | $0.15 | −$6.16 to $6.56 | −$3.17 | 34.3% | 23.5% | 16.0% |
| limit at the midline, 1:1 target, 9/21 EMA agreeing | 393 | 69.0% | −$3.40 | −$11.04 to $4.21 | −$1.09 | 33.3% | 20.9% | 14.8% |
The key-level video. As stated: 81 trades, 24.7% won, −$10.83 a trade — loses a little, but not clearly enough to tell. Across all 5 versions below, none is clear of the noise either way, and 3 of 5 beat the same trades taken on a coin-flip side. 29.6% of its trades got at least 1:2 its way before the original stop, 9.9% got 1:4. The video does not say how soon the reversal candle must come; its other exit is a stop trailed behind each candle. The body stop is only used when the wick stop cannot pay 1:2.
| version | trades | win | a trade | 95% range | coin-flip side | got to 1:2 | 1:3 | 1:4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| reversal within 3 candles, stop to the body if needed for 1:2 | 81 | 24.7% | −$10.83 | −$48.26 to $31.68 | −$0.01 | 29.6% | 17.3% | 9.9% |
| same, stop above the wick only | 74 | 27.0% | −$4.36 | −$45.78 to $39.87 | −$10.39 | 31.1% | 18.9% | 10.8% |
| reversal within 1 candle | 39 | 25.6% | −$7.44 | −$61.66 to $52.01 | −$27.00 | 33.3% | 15.4% | 7.7% |
| reversal within 6 candles | 107 | 24.3% | −$19.14 | −$51.13 to $13.87 | −$11.20 | 28.0% | 15.9% | 8.4% |
| stop trailed behind each candle instead of a target | 81 | 33.3% | $4.80 | −$18.77 to $30.09 | −$0.01 | 29.6% | 17.3% | 9.9% |
PFK alpha. As stated: 646 trades, 49.1% won, −$4.11 a trade — loses a little, but not clearly enough to tell. Across all 6 versions below, 3 clearly losing, and 2 of 6 beat the same trades taken on a coin-flip side. 33.6% of its trades got at least 1:2 its way before the original stop, 19.5% got 1:4. “$60” on one micro contract is 30 points; 15 and 60 are run too, market and limit.
| version | trades | win | a trade | 95% range | coin-flip side | got to 1:2 | 1:3 | 1:4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| “$60” read as 30 points, market entry | 646 | 49.1% | −$4.11 | −$8.76 to $0.53 | −$2.95 | 33.6% | 24.5% | 19.5% |
| “$60” read as 30 points, limit entry | 398 | 43.2% | −$11.14 | −$17.17 to −$5.41 | −$4.91 | 30.7% | 22.9% | 18.6% |
| “$60” read as 15 points, market entry | 657 | 47.3% | −$4.60 | −$6.88 to −$2.13 | −$4.17 | 31.1% | 23.1% | 18.1% |
| “$60” read as 15 points, limit entry | 423 | 43.5% | −$6.90 | −$9.60 to −$4.06 | −$6.08 | 31.7% | 24.1% | 20.3% |
| “$60” read as 60 points, market entry | 597 | 52.6% | $3.16 | −$6.44 to $12.41 | −$2.98 | 32.0% | 14.9% | 8.4% |
| “$60” read as 60 points, limit entry | 345 | 54.2% | $6.82 | −$5.87 to $19.24 | −$2.94 | 33.6% | 18.6% | 10.4% |
The 5-minute range video. As stated: 896 trades, 33.1% won, −$0.74 a trade — loses a little, but not clearly enough to tell. Across all 2 versions below, none is clear of the noise either way, and 1 of 2 beat the same trades taken on a coin-flip side. 31.9% of its trades got at least 1:2 its way before the original stop, 16.2% got 1:4.
| version | trades | win | a trade | 95% range | coin-flip side | got to 1:2 | 1:3 | 1:4 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| with the retest entry | 896 | 33.1% | −$0.74 | −$8.90 to $7.55 | −$3.44 | 31.9% | 22.5% | 16.2% |
| without the retest entry | 390 | 29.7% | −$7.44 | −$18.14 to $3.56 | −$2.80 | 29.0% | 22.3% | 16.7% |
Why the teachers are kept apart. Merging them would produce a sixth set of rules that nobody taught.
Numbers they do not give are shown across their range, not picked. The replay uses the first row of each table.
Coin-flip side takes the same entry, time, stop distance and target with the direction chosen at random. A real edge should beat it.
Three things the videos cannot settle, set the neutral way: a limit order fills when price touches it; if one minute touches both the stop and the target, the stop is counted; anything still open at 15:59 is closed there.
It tests each teacher's stated rules. Anything that needs their judgement on the day is left out rather than guessed.
If you teach the open differently, say how and we will test it the same way and publish it.
Five teachers, one open, five different rule sets. Each is tested as that teacher states it, on Nasdaq, and kept apart.
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